I'd just like it to be known.

Subject: I'd just like it to be known. Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:34 pm

Mephiles has and will always be just an angry little kid. How many times has he unjustly banned you? How many times have you been subjected to his constant streams of complete and uder bullshit? Cause I know I've been subjected hundreds of times. More and more hes showing us that he is in no way shape or form responsible enough to be admin for his own server. So I wonder...? Why do you all continue to go into his server. Have you ever thought that maybe if you just left his server and refused to return you might FORCE him to change his ways. There comes a point in every child's life where he/she must grow up. Mephiles is the only exception. His anger is driven by a complete and total hatred for himself. Why should we be punished for his emotions? Part of having a life and living in society is controlling your emotions and even more so understanding right from wrong. He has no concept of either of these. Which makes me wonder if he has any real social life at all...As much as I feel sorry for something as small and pathetic as him. It doesn't justify all the wrong hes done to us. If you think just because it's his server hes allowed to make as many unjust choices as he wants....You're very, sadly mistaken. That's called a dictatorship or absolute power. You can control him. You can manipulate him into either quitting the game Or changing his ways. All you have to do is this, Do not speak to him. Do not visit his site. Do not join his server. Demolish any existing communications with him. If everyone does this. He will have no reason to exist in OUR community.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:23 am

That's like trying to enforce the rule no heroes on JOG roof. Or Villians in Arena. Good luck with that. But I strongly disagree Jman has reasons for why he does what he does. Not to offend you in any way but this topic is most likely like all these other fail ones. And if anything may be locked. Lol.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:46 am

Nah I'll leave it here, want to see where this goes. I want to see everyone in the community push me out when I'm not even really in anymore in the first place.

Joker every time I watch you play, your in an enemy spawn if you think an admin isn't in the server. You spawn killed, you got booted, you insulted on the chat, you got banned. Don't pretend like no one else in the entire world wouldn't have done the same thing to you, please.

This is no dictatorship or absolute power because if you've ever been a true member of the abyssians, which you have not, you would notice a lot ideas and enactments come from the players themselves. I don't even pay enough attention to this game anymore for it to be anything of the such. Hell I've got Matt doing more for the server than I am now lol

I'm not going to lie, I've needed to grow up for a long time, and no I'm probably not going to anytime soon, if ever. I don't really have a social life no, I talk to who I want to and hang out with who I want to. Not really a lot of people but I don't really care, I always hated crowds anyways. But I can tell you I'm sure as hell not anger driven, if I was anger driven I would've been another Devil_Wing and The Abyss wouldn't even exist because everyone would be banned for forever and a half just for being alive. I control my anger a lot more than you would believe, but yes sometimes is far too big and I lose it for awhile, but I can still apologize when I know I've done wrong.

Either way, try getting to know a person before you think you have them pegged, you really don't know anything about me and anyone who follows this ludicrous wish of yours doesn't either. You can make the people who don't talk to me anyways not talk to me, but that's not going to do anything cause...well, they already don't talk to me. The people who do talk to me at this point, 5 years strong, are the people who truly know me. They won't stop talking to me because some drama bound teenager who causes nothing but trouble in his wake from what I see tells them lies they know aren't true.

In conclusion, stop trying to bring more drama to the front, we all finally got rid of it hopefully for good, we're not in 2007-2009 anymore. I'm tired of it and want it gone, I know everyone else does as well, let it die Joker. You broke a rule, you got kicked, you started shit, you got banned. If that's wrong, then I truly don't want to be right.

Leaving the topic unlocked in case anyone wants to post their opinion. If it gets out of hand the topic will then be locked.

Learn a lesson, Joker. Drama is not the answer when you have wronged.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:29 pm

No, I won't really try. I'm just trying to throw the idea out there. I could care less. The idea was cruel. I couldn't follow through with it for two reasons, No.1 I'm to lazy. No.2 I'm not that mean. But there are a few things in your post that I'm curious about...Like all the times You've watched me play when I've been gone for 6 months, and have only just returned less then a month ago. Ask anyone, I never break the rules. I may play cheap at times I feel I need to. I know I'm often found in the enemy heroes base. It's not my fault if everyone I attack runs away from me. I'm not going to let my enemy escape me even if it means killing them and everyone who attacks me in there base. Other times I'm fucking with them and Go into there own base to heal and then leave it. Sort of as a taunt. So I can lure them towards me and get them OUT of there own base. And it works, nearly everytime. I don't see how my methods are breaking rules. If they don't want to be killed after just spawning in then don't attack me, because then I'll have no reason to retaliate. As for why I was banned. All I said was ''Stop Crying'' Granted those are fight words. But no reason to be banned For 8 days. Especially when you were not really spawned. You were on the roof with the moisture evaporated next to the villian's base,( Outside of the spawn ) One of my team mates pushed you off. I then followed through with pushing you and killing you. Not a spawn kill. Unlucky circumstances. Exactly what i've explained to you has happened to me. But I would not LIE and say that it was a spawn kill. I would of just said. ''WOW THAT WAS SOME FUCKIN BULLSHIT''. I really have no Idea how you run your server and who you have running your server. But what I do know is what I've seen and I've seen unjust banns,kicks, and shit talking on admin. Show me some of the good in the aybss and maybe I will change my opinion, Because so far I've seen none. Infact, I think the mods make the game worse. They must've been suggested by cowards. Because cowards run away with a modded roll and heal with a modded heal. As for the whole ''Like Devil_Wing thing.'' I can agree with that, you're not as bad as him. And I'd have No problem with you playing in the same room with all your closet friends on this game. Because then you would eventually get angry. ''Lose it'' as you put it, and further damage the relationships, slowly breaking them apart. So the idea is that if My plan were to be carried out. It Would involve getting rid of your closest friends aswell, But by your own hand. I'm not a bad person. I'm just trying to help you. If you get angry take a break. Hit the wall really hard. Smoke a ciggerette. Drink some water. Who the fuck cares what you do. Just realize that you need to CALM down. That it's just a game. I used to be WORSE then devil wing's. But I never remember taking my anger out on other people. I either took it out on myself or on inanimate physical objects. This is not drama, this is me trying to HELP you, so you can HELP everyone else. You think I actually give two shits about an 8 day bann. It's not the bann, it's the Principle. What I said And what you think I did are not worth an 8 day bann. I'm sure everyone else would agree. That was way overboard. Which leads me to believe you were angry. Because angry people tend to LOSE IT and go way overboard. Including myself. But once again, I do not take my anger out on other people. Learn a lesson Jman, Getting angry isn't the problem. It's how you deal with it.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:54 pm

Huh. Guess I'll put my opinion on here then.

For one thing, I've never had problems when playing on the abyss. Sure, got banned once, but that was gone the next day. I'm not even sure what the point of the ban was, but it was from Neji, not from Mephiles. If you don't play like a noob, you won't be banned like a noob. If you really have the urge to break the rules, make your own server and break the rules. It's nobody's 'right' to play in a server. Playing in another person's server is a privilege. If they're paying for it or hosting it, then it's their right to do whatever they want with it.

......... So there, I got to post my opinion. I feel so special now. lol.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:19 pm

I'd just like to state this. Joker you are wrong when you say you take your anger out on people. Literally about 1 week ago you cussed me out because of a 1 hour ban you got and I said Get Over It. Yes those are fighting words but you just cussed the fuck outta me. Not to put anything on you. Just saying though. You don't control your anger like you said you do. Another thing. Is Jman would've known that the roll and heal would've been used that way. He would've NEVER added them. Do you really think he has fun when people bitch and complain about noobs when they roll whore.? And The more you bug him about it, the more the chance of him not doing it. So just let it go.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:28 pm

Who said anything about an 8 day ban? I don't even have my RM set up for 8 day bans. I haven't taken my anger out on anyone in this game unless they are the one actually angering me.

I actually haven't been angry at this game since 2008, and that was because I was a noob who didn't know how to play carrying over from 07.

Your "6 month break" is irrelevant as I'm talking about the times I have seen you over the years, obviously not the 6 months you have been gone. You've been playing for at least the past week as well.

If you're trying to "help" me, why are you trying to get rid of my friends? That's not helping, that's hurting lol.

Now the big question here is why do you think I'm so angry? I haven't done anything out of anger in almost half a year now. I've been relatively calm actually. The only thing I get mad about anymore is when my little brother takes stuff out of my room without asking while I'm asleep and makes me think I lost it, making me spend an hour looking for it without telling me he has it.

"Unjust bans and kicks" are in the eyes of the beholder, you saw me on the building, how long was I there? Hardly 3 to 5 seconds. I went there directly from spawning in to see how the field looked, got shoved back into my spawn almost the very second I landed and then killed. The "Cry about it why don't ya?" comment was greatly unnecessary, and it was only a kick because I figured you had more sense than that. I believed you had more of a brain to realize when you had done something wrong rather than the noobs who must start stuff believing they are always right and can get away with whatever they want. I saw that I was wrong when instead of just admitting the POSSIBILITY you could have spawnkilled me, you started this whole big thing with that comment. Just because I left the spawn for 5 seconds, not truly even getting AWAY from it doesn't mean that I'm free, it'd be nice to actually get on the field instead of getting pushed right away.
I boot heroes who stand on top of the building right in front of the spawn, why wouldn't I boot people who attack me on the building directly next to it?

Everyone's kicks and bans have different stories, if unjust kicks and bans are doing so to people who break rules and start stuff, then should I just get rid of all admins and known rules and let everyone do whatever they want? There was one person who thought our admins were horrible, so I showed him what the server is like with absolutely no admins or rules, his response after such was "This place is a mess! Maybe the way you guys run your server is actually for the best..."

Off topic though, anyways. Again why do you think I'm so mad? What gives you the idea you know me like the back of your hand? Because you believe I only think in one certain way? Just back off me, Joker. If I needed help I would ask for help from people. I'm not angry in any way shape or form. You know me from rumors, rumors that are based on a very old version of me. If you truly want to know me, then get to know me, not listen to rumors and then pretend you know me like the back of your hand. It's severely annoying, there are people laughing at this topic, ridiculing your ideals, you are doing nothing but wasting your own time and annoying me. Do yourself a favor now and stop.

Or at least tell me:

1. Why am I so angry? Sense you obviously feel emotions FOR me, can you also tell me what I'm going to feel tomorrow? I'd like a heads up.

2. What exactly you plan to accomplish from this. Because I can't understand it.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:36 pm

Hehe *cool face*

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:46 pm

Well first of all, Okay fine three day ban. Not too overboard. But it's still over the top. Especially when technically it was not a spawn kill. I know you'd like to get a little further outside of your base, but I'd like more responsible admins and I'd like to see more thought put into certain admins decision's when it comes to punishing another player. But we don't always get what we want, do we? Even If what we want is just and honorable.

Personally, I don't think you've seen me play much since I've been back. So how would you know? I don't break rules. I set an example for people that do.

I'm not trying to get rid of your friends, I'm informing you of what will happen If you don't stop being such a $#%@!! douche monkey.

What were rules made for in the first place Jman? Hm? Could it be because some of the things that are possible in this game can be unfair and possibly make people angry or sad? This game is surrounded by emotions. You felt that I spawn camped you. That made you angry. So you followed through with a kick. Then I came on chat and told you to ''Stop crying'' which in your eyes added insult to injury. So that made you even more angry. You then followed through with a ban. You cannot say that it doesn't make you angry because this system is designed to provoke emotion which then provokes choices. The key is to control the emotions or to control the choices. Knowing right from wrong helps in that aspect. I don't think I know when your angry. I just know what causes PEOPLE to get angry inevitably. So If I'm wrong maybe your not human?!

You say unjust bans and kicks are in the eyes of the beholder. Well, Hitler killed people because of there race. Because In hitlers eyes he thought they were scum. He thought the just thing to do was to execute them in very vicious ways. Not many people agreed with this. It can be in the eyes of the beholder but it doesn't change the fact there is a common sense of right and wrong in this world. You do not kill people because of there race. Just as you do not ban people like me that will take every fair yet cruel shot that can. ( Note : In an Open server, sure i'll be cheap. Especially when I don't agree with the Mods. But don't confuse open servers and Locked servers, I am a very honorable player and will not be cheap in a locked server. ) And obviously the second you landed Jman. Why would I give you a CHANCE to put your block up. I had other teammates to save and other people to kill. I wanted you out of the way because I wanted to take one less possible scrap killer out of play for how ever many seconds. It was nothing personal.

You're right jman, my comment was very unnecessary, as unnecessary as I your kick was. I don't believe and never will believe that I was wrong. I didn't even consider the possibility that I would need to get away with anything. Because I wasn't even aware that you believed I was breaking a rule. I certainly didn't consider the possibility that I was breaking any rules at all. You were just another enemy down to me And I was moving onto the next one. I know when I've wronged. If I had accidently spawn killed you, I would of come onto the Aybss chat and I would Of formally apologized. I took the kick as ''Well jmans being an angry little douchebag again''. I saw the entire thing jman. I was watching from the far tower. My teammates came out your teammates from the east It was completely fair fight. You just got unlucky that your teammates were not paying any attention. The sooner you can admit that the fight was fair and that you fucked up. I'll admit I fucked up and that I shouldn't of said ''stop crying'' And we can be past this. If and when we get past this hopefully in the near future we will both have learned something.

I'm not looking for no admins, I'm not looking for no rules. I'm looking for veracity. I'm looking for fairness and Justice. I'm also looking for a little more clarity as to why people are banned. I want it to be explained to them beforehand. I'd also like to admins having one on one conversations with the ecused so that maybe there can be another way to resolve the issue. All people are rational. I think it's time we discover new ways to teach new players and even elder players what they can do instead of breaking rules. ( Just an example because I know you cant double pull in the aybss ) If someone was double pulling and it was against the rules in the room there playing in. Maybe the admin should get them in a chat. A talk to them about how they can get better at the game so they can play fairly and play skillfully. Why do you think noobs double pull in the first place? Because it's a gaurnteed kill if they do it right and it's not hard to do right. Maybe if they got a'lot of kills as a pusher they might go....''Oh wow, I don't have to be a double pulling noob anymore''. When you really really try to change something. It normally happens. Since this is such a small community I don't see why it's not possible to have very caring and helpful admins. Now If someone is just plain rotten and there's no hope for them. Fuck em. But In most cases that's not how it is.

I Don't think I know you at all jman. But like I said, I know what provokes anger and I know how the system works. Your angry for two reasons when you die. You're angry at yourself because you know you could've done better And your angry at the person that killed you because he's a #%@#^!. Am I right? I don't care what you think you need and what you don't need. Serial killers don't think they need help either. I'm giving you something to think about. I'm not trying to attack you in anyway. Though I know I may seem hostile at times. So there's no need to be hostile back. I'm trying to resolve the issue when it seems your trying to further it.

As for rumors, Yeah I've heard rumors. I believe there all bullshit. Even the ones brandee told me. Just like I'd expect everyone else to believe the rumors about me are bullshit. If It didn't come from me personally then it's bullshit. I suggest you tell people the same jman. Cause for one. I'm damn near sick to fucking death of rumors. As for the people you say are laughing at my topic. Let them laugh it up. Doesn't seem they have anything intelligent to contribute to it. A'lot of famous scholars and philosophers are ridiculed. Scientists are ridiculed for many of there hypothesis. Funny thing is, there ridiculed by people who have no vision themselves. I will be the one to decide whether or not I'm wasting my time. As far as I'm concerned you don't even know my motive. So how could presume I'm wasting my time? My motive is my own business. So don't bother asking again. I will stop. Because I feel that I've said what needs to be said and I've given an opportunity to resolve the conflict between us. Whether you choose to take it or not. We will certainly find out.

-Devastator-

As for you devastator, I wasn't angry at you. I was angry at kakashi. I later then found out after speaking to kakashi that it was really a smurf and formally apologized. I cuss out everybody. Guys fool around. Were suppose to fuck with eachother. It's not ment to be taken seriously. Unless you make it serious. At which point so will I. Based on what i've seen from jman so far your probably right or maybe he'll decide it's in the best interest of his players to remove the mods. Especially if I'm not the only one who has a problem with them. I'm not complaining. Just trying to find the most logical solution to resolve and issue. I wasn't ridiculing jman for the mods. I was saying that they are being abused. I didn't feel like replying to your last post cause it seemed more like a bunch of insults to me.

Cypher,

This is a very small community. I'm sure jman is smart enough to understand that In this small community it's not whats in his best interest of himself but whats in the best interest of his players. I mean saying what you've said is like saying that america was founded by Christopher Columbis so by all rights it's his choice what happens in it? No, that's wrong. It's about majority vote. If Jman didn't do what people wanted him to do. He would not have people in his server. Only reason I'm debating with him is because theres still room for improvment.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:02 pm

Christopher Columbus FOUND North America, thinking that he could find a route to the Orient. In fact, he actually thought that he found it, which is why he named the natives Indians. However, the Pilgrims are the original 'U.S' settlers, who founded a state so that they could have religious freedom to worship God freely. Sit down son. </offtopic>

But moving on, it is the admin's right to do whatever is correct in their judgment. That's why they're the admin. If they thought that you were getting a little too close to the spawn for comfort, then it's their job to boot/ban you. Nobody can do something without somebody in the world hating it. Somebody working the admin will always be hated by somebody else. It's not a perfect world.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:08 pm

I really don't see the need to comment on this topic lol... So no comment.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:39 am

Falcon, You're an r-tard. I knew all of that. The majority vote Always wins. The first outsider to discover america was actually asian. So gg.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:24 pm

Columbus founded U.S. Some other dude with the last name America founded North and South America. Get your facts.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:35 pm

Are you really so stupid that you can't figure out that that was a joke........ Seriously......... -_-

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:21 pm

In my personal opinion Torment, I have to disagree with you on this one.

I used to feel like you [on the issue of unfair and unjustly bans and/or kicks], but that was when I was a noob and didn't know anything about the rules and the game.

I used to T.K., spawn-trap, high camp, taunt, and my biggest one - Killsteal. Then, get kicked or banned.I also used get very upset and angry.

Hell, you could ask Matt, I used to get banned by the hour for the stupid things I did.

But, when I found this site and forum, I learned the rules; and meant some pretty cool people.

Furthermore, I used to think having admins where fricken annoying, but when I started following the rules when others wasn't, it got fricken chaotic. It was simply annoying and tedious to play. I even had to beg the admins here to come to the void a while back because it got ridiculous there.

Now I'm not saying that all the admins are perfect but Torment, before you go on your "rant and raves", just try to see what your doing wrong, and simply work on it.
That way you won't get banned and or kicked as much.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:32 pm

-.:Devastator:.- wrote:: Columbus founded U.S. Some other dude with the last name America founded North and South America. Get your facts.

His last name wasn't America. I don't know it anymore because it's been a long time since I studied him. I think it was Amerigo. Not sure.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:29 pm

Yes Dace, you're right. His name was Amerigo.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:22 pm

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:55 pm

Then how do we get America.? Like seriously, that makes sense. My last name is Amerigo, so i'm gunna name this land America.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:16 am

Because America is the latin feminine version of Amerigo

and because I like I'd just like it to be known. 395920

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:08 pm

I have just read a book Rolling Eyes

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:40 pm

Lol, how many times have I heard this ? I'd just like it to be known. 510617

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:00 pm

Can't believe I didn't notice this... well... actually I can. All that typing in large bulky paragraphs turned me away... and it seemed an argument not worth involving myself in.

BlitzKrieg wrote:: Because America is the latin feminine version of Amerigo
and because I like

The reason for the feminizing of the name of a country is mainly because it's a common tradition for a lot of countries to do that. For example, Russia, England, and Germany were often referred to in whole in the 19th and 20th centuries(the areas I know of in more detail, likely further back no doubt) as "she". Russia was often called "The Motherland" by 'her' people. I guess the state and government are often seen as having a 'motherly' role over the people as in the stereotypical family structure, where the mother watches over her children.

Darth TRON ! wrote:: In my personal opinion Torment, I have to disagree with you on this one.

I used to feel like you [on the issue of unfair and unjustly bans and/or kicks], but that was when I was a noob and didn't know anything about the rules and the game.

I used to T.K., spawn-trap, high camp, taunt, and my biggest one - Killsteal. Then, get kicked or banned.I also used get very upset and angry.

Hell, you could ask Matt, I used to get banned by the hour for the stupid things I did.

But, when I found this site and forum, I learned the rules; and meant some pretty cool people.

Furthermore, I used to think having admins where fricken annoying, but when I started following the rules when others wasn't, it got fricken chaotic. It was simply annoying and tedious to play. I even had to beg the admins here to come to the void a while back because it got ridiculous there.

Now I'm not saying that all the admins are perfect but Torment, before you go on your "rant and raves", just try to see what your doing wrong, and simply work on it.
That way you won't get banned and or kicked as much.

It shouldn't be hard to believe that at one point I didn't quite understand the rules myself.

After the first 5 bans(lol) that were actually fairly far apart, because I didn't often play puller or shooter even though I didn't know they weren't allowed, as well as being a... naturally considerate player towards my team. Finally I decided that I'd had enough, and sat in the empty server and watched the admin messages until I knew I'd seen them all.

I didn't get angry, because I figured they had a reason for it. Sometimes I would see the reason stated and call bullshit, other times I made the connection; such as to pulling, where I'd consistently suddenly be banned when i started. So I put a stop to that, which was around the 3rd ban.

I was ambitious and very much wanting to get the attention of these 'clans' that were around me, to learn what I could and show that I was capable of more than the average freelance. To an extent I got that attention in those days, which I guess is somewhat why I'm here now. People recognized me somewhat and I guess it helped my credibility. Hell eventually I had experienced a full server ban that excluded myself and the banning individual. Now that I call an improvement, lol.

So, this is essentially why I find it difficult to understand why people have so much trouble with finding out what's right and wrong here. When people blatantly choose to defy what they've been told over admin enough that it should have been seen, it makes me scratch my head... how could they have not noticed the writing on the top left? Would they not have some interest as to what that was?

So I'm not much for leniency in bans once I've been peeved by illiterates, or... simply inattentive carelessness.

Anyways I'm done. Longest post in a while.

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:26 am

Tron is a noob

Subject: Re: I'd just like it to be known. Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:37 am

Columbus did find The New World, but it was inhabited by freaking natives, and the Natives came from Asia, they traveled through alaska or something like that.